Duane Peltier: "I heard several people that have been discussing this issue touch on something that would makes some sense, and that would be to add some words here to the No RV & Boat Parking. The final wording of course would reside with someone else but No RV or Boat parking no longer than 5 days without permission. That would be notification as they came in."

Norman Fernandez: "If you did it that way then everyone driving off the street to park over there would expect the same five days without permission."

Ted Thurman: "The intent is to stop it with short term renters."

Peter Owens (New property owner): "Over the years we have been coming over here and renting and I never knew of any of theses rules. I remember bringing a boat over one time. We parked it down at the house we were renting. I think it’s a good idea to have them posted. I think if you do post the rules that people will abide by them."

Ted Thurman: "That’s what we’re hoping for. People are generally good about adhering to the rules and enjoying the community. We have heard several comment’s that Bayshore is a resort, do what you want to do, have fun, and it’s not."

Linda Clayton: "People don’t read. A sign can be right there in front of them and they don’t read it. I really don’t understand why you think a sign is going to do so much good. The sign will have to be in big huge bold letters so someone will stop and pay attention and are we going to have a back up trying to get into Bayshore?"

Ted Thurman: "Doing nothing is no longer an option."

Linda Clayton: "I didn’t say not do anything. I think there are other ways."

Ted Thurman: "We need to put people on notice."

Lloyd Haines: "The posting of signs again falls back into the sequence of if you are going to have any authority to enforce the rules."

Ted Thurman: "You have to have a speed sign or else you can go however fast you want. That’s just common sense."

Kathy Foss: "I like to go back so I understand this. Did you propose these signs to the attorney? Do we have State park signs stating that the beach is a State park?"

Ted Thurman: "We have State park signs but they don’t have anything like our C & R’s on it."

Kathy Foss: "Where are the State park signs?"

Ted Thurman: "By the beach access."

Kathy Foss: "I don’t see a State park sign. I volunteer in a Federal government park and in State parks sometimes and I don’t see a State park sign."

Lloyd Haines: "It’s not a State park with a name saying this is "Bayshore State park".

Kathy Foss: "That’s not what I mean. An Oregon State Park so then you could put no public beach access for people coming off the highway."

Ted Thurman: "No, we can’t because of the roads."

Jane Hamblet: "You might want to consider all the people that have problems of people passing through their property at the beach accesses and possibly putting up a sign that says public beach access at clubhouse so they would have a place to park and go to the beach."

Kevin MacPhee: "On the sign issue, the State and County says it’s up to us to maintain and put signs up at our beach accesses.

Kathy Foss: "I’m just talking about other communities along the Oregon Coast. We have a lot of State Parks. I’m talking about a little community on Orcas Drive with no public beach access posted. Down further they have a State Park in Seal Rock where you can go to, that’s what I’m talking about."

Ted Thurman: "These are public streets. We are not private."

Duane Peltier: "I’m not a lawyer so I can’t really speak in legal terms but my understanding of Oregon public access laws are; all beaches are to be open to the public. The way the law is worded you can’t prevent someone from access to the beach."

Clark Clayton: "On the Breeze that you send out could you start putting the authors name on the articles?"

Ted Thurman: "Sure, you bet."

Janice Pickett: "The Tennis court is abused continuously. It really needs to have a lock on it."

Ted Thurman: "Did you see the recent sign we put up?"

Janice Pickett: "The sign doesn’t work. People run their dogs in there and let them do their thing which I have cleaned up, twice now. A week after the Tennis court was finished, kids on bikes we making skid marks on purpose. Kids do not read the sign they are continuously menacing the court. Halloween night kids were driving their cars through the playground, they were drinking beer, beer bottles were all over. If the picnic tables could be moved over so they don’t have access to move around in there it might help."

Ted Thurman: "Did you call the Sheriff on any of this?"

Janice Pickett: "No. The reason I didn’t is because usually when I call the Sheriff they may be there in 10 minutes, sometimes 2 hours and when I call them, the problem is gone."

Ted Thurman: "Thank you for bringing it to our attention."

George Taylor: "We’ve discussed this now when is this vote going to be taken (On the sign issue)?"

Ted Thurman: "There is no vote."

George Taylor: "So when are they supposed to go into effect?

Ted Thurman: "As soon as we get the attorneys o.k. we will bring it to the homeowners for their input if they want to. That is still under advisement. We want to find out what we can do, what can be put up there before we present it in any type of a voting form for public forum. We have to have the finished sign product rather than just proposed. The verbiage needs to be legal.

George Taylor: "When we walk out of here today can we be assured that nothing will be done on this crap until the homeowners have an input in to it?"

Ted Thurman: "No."

George Taylor: "Why?"

Lloyd Haines: "To be honest with you, no matter what anybody wants to do around here, somebody’s going to bitch about it and that’s what are job was. We were elected to resolve the issues."

George Taylor: "You’ve had several meetings about all of this. You could have very well come to us with a finished product to propose. But what you are doing is denying us a vote."

Lloyd Haines: "We don’t have to give you a vote on a whole series of things. It’s just daily business."

George Taylor: "This is not daily business."

Ted Thurman: "End of comments! Thank you. Sir you have been heard."

Max Metcalf: "Have a seat and let everybody cool off now. (George Taylor walking out)

Max Metcalf: "Let me give a quick snapshot of history again. Before our current President was elected if you remember back to August and September when I had to conduct the meetings, the thing we did consistently at both of those meetings was have an open quorum and I asked everybody here to tell us what your concerns were, the tape recorder was running then as it is now. After we had our new Board member, meaning our President and after Lloyd got back from Alaska we met. We’ve had working Board meetings I think almost every week or every other week since he was elected in September. What we have done is taken your concerns and came up with some possible ideas. One of them is the sign and the others are some items we published in the Breeze. I’m sure that no one on the Board wants to leave the impression that we are trying to steam roll over any ones opinion and I for one as a Board member wanted to get your response to this sign. There have been some good comments on how to improve the sign, that’s great. Be assured that the sign will not go up until we have cleared every item on that sign with our new attorney. We think we have found an attorney with some teeth, that’s why we changed. Once we get this approved by the attorney I for one will vote to have this come back so you people can have a final look at it. We need to have your approval. Let me leave you with one thought we are always in the crossfire. We hear comments and concerns that you have, you give us these and we try to act on them, as volunteers, to work out the best answer we can. The implementation is by the Board and also by the Planning Committee. We put our heads together and we try to come up with solutions. We not here to steam roll over anybody, what we are trying do is say "Here are some solutions, here is what we think will work." We’re going to run it past the attorney and I for one will vote among the Board that we bring this sign thing back to you folks for final approval. I hope you would grant it to us, unless you can come up with a better solution to let people know early on, and here’s the purpose for the sign, what the rules are for visitors. We know what they are as owners, but let the renters know. We are trying to protect the value of your property and that’s why we’re here and that’s what we hope to do. We will do the best we can, it may not be perfect but folks we try hard. I want to salute our new President for walking into the middle of all this and trying to say "O.K. we need to look at this, we need to work with as many as we can." "We’ve had a lot of Board meetings and we’re doing the best that we can so give us some time."

George Taylor: "The thing that bothers me more than anything is you’re talking signs but you’re talking more than signs. You’re talking about a whole change of life here and you’re saying O.K. if you like the sign will do it, if you don’t like the sign we won’t do it. All I’m saying is that you have a group here that should have a vote now!"

Max Metcalf: "We haven’t had it cleared by the attorney. We have to make sure it’s legal."

George Taylor: "What I’m saying is take a vote of the people. If everybody is against this, forget about it."

Pay Weyrens: "We just built a house here. One of the reasons why we came here is because of the rules and regulations. We like these things, and we like it here."

Ted Thurman: "Thank You. We are going to get on with the next item on the agenda."

No old business.

Joann Power asked to speak. Invited homeowners present, to her home if they are interested in "Partners of America’s". It’s an exchange program between the United States and Costa Rica. Ted Thurman interrupted her to let her know that we are here to discuss issues of homeowners in Bayshore at a homeowners meeting and it is not a public forum to ask for people to join her organization. It’s not appropriate.

1. Entrance Signs have been discussed.
2. Flyers & Fines for Violations.

This was brought to the Board by the Planning Committee in regards to continuous violations of RV and boat parking in our community and violations of the C & R’s. The Board was asked to take a look at whether Bayshore can impose fines as a community to eliminate any further problems with existing homeowners on their property that are in violation of our laws and C & R’s within our community. The attorney is taking a look at that as well. We currently have 2 lawsuits going with homeowners who are in direct disregard of our C & R’s. In one circumstance a homeowner submitted plans and then built what he wanted to build with the intention of not living here but renting it out. To protect our interests and the value of our property here in Bayshore we have to sometimes go after people legally to make them live up to the C & R’s which we all agreed to when we came to the community. If we don’t do this we might as well not have the C & R’s. We are looking at fines that can be imposed on property owners for violations. We will have a schedule of fines set in place for using these fees. As soon as we get further information from the attorney we will bring it back to you folks again."

3. RV & Boat Parking Area.

This has been brought to the Board regarding concerns by the homeowners in the last few months, that we should seriously take a look at a parking area for people to park their recreational vehicles i.e., RV’s motor homes, travel trailers and boats. Most communities of this size, private communities, have some kind of facility like that.

Presented by Lloyd Haines:

"The piece of property we are considering turning into a RV and boat storage area, shown on the map, is the lot that is directly across the street from the clubhouse which has been a parking lot for about 35 years. We feel that we could utilize it more as a boat and RV storage than the way it is now being randomly used. What I am doing is working on getting some costs together for doing some gravel work, a cyclone fence and a gate. This lot would probably be open the same hours the caretaker is available. It would open up in the morning and close in the afternoon. If you got in late with your RV or boat you’re probably going to take it home and clean it up anyway, keep it overnight and bring it down the next morning or afternoon. We know a lot of people here who have RV’s and boats and are storing them at $35.00 to $40.00 per month. A monthly maintenance fee would be assessed at about half of that to cover the costs of developing the lot. These are all things we are looking at none of this is cast in stone. If you have any ideas call me and let me know. As soon as I get the costs for all of this I assume we will bring it back to the members. We have 2 different size spaces for a total of 32 spaces. Privacy regarding the fence along the side that would be in direct contact with homeowners has been questioned and a couple of ideas that have been suggested is to put a berm with shrubbery or a cyclone fence with privacy slats. The fence will be vinyl covered to withstand up to the weather.

Questions and comments from the audience concerning liability issues and parking for the clubhouse.

Board will set date & time at the Executive meeting. Next general meeting will be January 17, 2003 at 1:00PM.

MSP Max Metcalf motions to adjourn. Kevin MacPhee seconds the motion. Motion carried unanimously.

Meeting adjourned at 2:30PM.

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